The Trumpet 3 is out !!!!

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LHall
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Re: The Trumpet 3 is out !!!!

Post by LHall » Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:47 am

MSchnell wrote:
Ben H wrote:. Now that K5 is available, NI absolutely WILL NOT release Kontakt Player libraries in K4 format
They could do a trumpet based on their own SWAM engine. That would run without K5 being installed. :D :D :D
I'm in the same boat with 10.6.8 Matt. But I have read that the SWAM instruments are very different platforms from Kontakt that would take enormous amounts of re-programming. This was much discussed when the Saxes came out on SWAM. I doubt that the guys are up for this much reprogramming to accommodate a few of us holdouts. I've been dealing with these issues for a long time - most notably when Apple bought Emagic and my lovely PCs became doorstops.

As for me, I'm taking it as a cue that it's time to upgrade my system. Our systems will only become more and more obselete as new products are released. Just part of the life we chose!

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Re: The Trumpet 3 is out !!!!

Post by webmaster » Sat Jul 18, 2015 3:29 pm

Dear Friends,

we would like to clarify two important topics mentioned in this thread, namely :

- Compatibility, or lack thereof, of Trumpet 3 with earlier versions of Kontakt.
- Kontakt vs. SWAM-based instruments.

The reasons for developing and releasing the Trumpet 3 on the more recent, yet stable, version of Kontakt are threefold:

1) Native Instruments' policy is to release and support any new instrument on the current version of Kontakt/Player, as correctly reported by Ben H.
2) Newer versions often include new features concerning processing modules and scripts.
3) Newer, stable versions often solve previously reported bugs and malfunctions.

The Trombone 3 lesson was very instructive in this respect. We wished to maintain compatibility with Kontakt 4.2, which looked very stable and reliable. We therefore asked Native Instruments to revise their policy , allowing us to release this instrument on a previous version of Kontakt. The consequences were: a) the missing nicnt file issue, requiring several workarounds to be applied by the customers before Native Instruments could finally work it out, several months later, 2) serious issues concerning the activation of the instrument on newer Mac OS. We are not going to repeat this error. Perseverare diabolicum :-)

The reasons for developing our instruments on the Kontakt platform, rather than technical, are mainly related to our conception of sonic quality. Since the development of our "sample-modeled" technologies, no other approach proved to be as effective in reproducing any musical phrase without crossfade artifacts and maintaining the timbre of the original recordings. Stefano Lucato's Synchronous Wavelength Acoustic Modeling (the SWAM engine) represents a completely different approach which proved quite effective. It involves, however, some deconstruction of the original material, potentially leading to deterioration of the quality of sound. Moreover, differently from Kontakt-based instruments using two level keyswitches, SWAM instruments require more direct control by the user to shape each articulation. In fact, the highest priorities, in SWAM philosophy, are realtime playability and responsiveness to the input in a physically oriented sense, rather than accurate reproduction of the performance of an experienced musician.

That's why the two lines of products, representing two basically different conceptions, will always coexist.

Philosophies cannot simply migrate to another platform. ;-)

Giorgio & Peter.

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Re: The Trumpet 3 is out !!!!

Post by Kobir » Sat Jul 25, 2015 11:37 am

Just had a chance to play with the new expression mapping feature and it is great! Over time sample modeling is adding many of the little tweaks users did in DAW or external plugins into the configuration of the instrument. MainStage has a great built in plugin for expression mapping, but my preferred live serup is in Reaper and it is now great to have flexible accurate expression mapping within the Kontakt setting of the instrument.

i also noticed pitch bend sound more realistic. I always felt the Trombone had more realistic pitch bending then The Trumpet. Now I think they are at same level.

My first reaction to Trumpet 3 was that is sound and react very similar to older version. After a few weeks I think all these small changes together make a big difference and there is no doubt that The Trumpet 3 is one of the best virtual instrument emulation I ever played on my EWI!

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Re: The Trumpet 3 is out !!!!

Post by zeppusclub » Sun Jul 26, 2015 5:22 am

Trumpet V3 is a real step ahead : more realist, a little bit warmer and rounder than the oldest version ...

All jazz musicians i play with said it ...

They also said trumpet and flute are on the top : when they close their eyes while playing togheter, it's difficult for them to make difference between SM instruments and real one's ...

Except for the saxes, and mainly swam tenor : comments remain less positive ...

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Re: The Trumpet 3 is out !!!!

Post by MSchnell » Sun Jul 26, 2015 12:00 pm

Interesting Thread for me as a Jazz musician and very happy "Flutes" owner.

I am considering to go for the "Saxes" since long. In fact the very first SWAM instrument ("Lady Sax" soprano) triggered my decision to buy a SampleModeling product, but before I did we enhanced our band (Jazz and Brazilian stuff) by a real sax player (Alto and Soprano), and so I decided to go for the Flutes. Now I seem do have done right. Reading this thread maybe Trumpet 3 will be the next bait for me, instead of the SWAM Saxes. :D

zeppusclub, can you let us her an example ?

-Michael
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Re: The Trumpet 3 is out !!!!

Post by LHall » Mon Jul 27, 2015 2:36 pm

I will say about the Saxes - I think they're awesome. I do a lot of library type work and I used to use the Sax Bros on some leads now and then. I always ended up replacing them with real players. Since getting the SWAM version, I haven't felt the need to go with live players (sorry to my player friends). I use the TEC breath controller and they work great for both solo and ensemble use.

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Re: The Trumpet 3 is out !!!!

Post by zeppusclub » Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:39 pm

Hi,

LHall : saxes sound is awesome, i agree ... this is not the matter ... in fact, it's only a "live" playing problem (not due to samplemodeling sounds) ...

I think that some of us have surpassed the capacity of the whole system :

- The breath sensor response of the ewi itself (rise time / fall time / curve / slope edge), mostly when encoded in midi, due to the midi limitation with only 127 steps on CC.
- Asio latency, computer limitation and sound processing are also important on gig .... etc ...

And worse : i take lessons with a pro sax player and also start playing with real pro jazz fusion musicians ...

Every week, i go deeper inside the settings to reach the maximal realism, but i think i'm at the limits ...

When you work on a daw with keyboard, BC and mouse, or when you play jazz ballads or half tempo with ewi and backtracks : it's all right ...

It's just a little bit more difficult to obtain the same result on yellowjackets, steps ahead, chick corea and jeff beck tunes ... :?

MSchnell : V3 is really a major improvement, you don't need to wait !!! i'll post a sample asap.

Regards,

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Re: The Trumpet 3 is out !!!!

Post by zeppusclub » Wed Jul 29, 2015 1:09 pm

MSchnell,

Just a short sample of V3 while training on BIB loop ...
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Re: The Trumpet 3 is out !!!!

Post by MSchnell » Wed Jul 29, 2015 8:22 pm

zeppusclub wrote: - The breath sensor response of the ewi itself (rise time / fall time / curve / slope edge), mostly when encoded in midi, due to the midi limitation with only 127 steps on CC.
I feel the same. But in fact the Midi standard does define a way to do CCs with 16384 steps ("High resolution Midi"). This even automatically is compatible with standard 0..127 CCs. And with USB no latency degradation will be imposed.

Unfortunately at the Moment neither SampleModeling nor TEC support High resolution Midi :( .
zeppusclub wrote: - Asio latency, computer limitation and sound processing are also important on gig .... etc ...
I don't think that with a decent PC, latency is an issue. I have an i7 and my estimation is that software latency account for a similar amount as some 5 m distance on an average stage.
zeppusclub wrote:And worse : i take lessons with a pro sax player and also start playing with real pro jazz fusion musicians ...
Lot of fun :) . Happily I do have a real sax player in my band, and right now I am just doing some backing with the Swam (alto) flute. But I think I will try one solo or the other some day soon.

zeppusclub wrote:V3 is really a major improvement, you don't need to wait !!! i'll post a sample asap.
Got it. Great ! Thanks.
I finally am beginning to find my way with the TEC BBC and the Flutes. Once I am at a state that is not completely frustrating any more I might go for Tv3.

Thanks a lot !
-Michael
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Re: The Trumpet 3 is out !!!!

Post by frokka » Wed Feb 10, 2016 11:39 pm

Do you guys think the SM instruments would actually sound better with 14bits MIDI?

I'm sceptical because I think the interpolation is mature technology and does the job. On the AkaiPro forum it has been mentioned that timing issues on the EWI 5000 could be caused by MIDI buffer overflows.

Well, perhaps SM can do a beta with a 14bits setup. :?:

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