!!! The new Samplemodeling Viola is out !!!

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Re: !!! The new Samplemodeling Viola is out !!!

Post by MSchnell » Thu Nov 26, 2015 2:14 pm

Questions regarding controlling the viola:

"Bowing" (standard via the Mod Wheel) seems like a very important feature. Is this possible using a wind controller ?


"Double Notes":

In the video they say that Double Notes are activated via a key switch. Is it not possible to simply play a two tone chord with the keyboard ? I suppose for trained keyboard player this would be a lot easier to do.

Is it possible to use the "Double Notes" feature with a wind controller ?

"Tempo Sync Auto Tremolo": How does this work ?

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Re: !!! The new Samplemodeling Viola is out !!!

Post by Pat S » Fri Nov 27, 2015 12:25 am

There appear to be a great many opportunities to tweak and tune the Viola, and that abundance is a bit intimidating. Could someone suggest the best initial settings for a Yamaha WX5 Wind Controller?

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Re: !!! The new Samplemodeling Viola is out !!!

Post by ModernBard » Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:51 pm

Pat S wrote:There appear to be a great many opportunities to tweak and tune the Viola, and that abundance is a bit intimidating. Could someone suggest the best initial settings for a Yamaha WX5 Wind Controller?
Assuming it's reasonably similar to the Akai EWI-USB behavior, I found that the default Wind Controller settings were pretty close to what I wanted (from main page do Reset | Default Wind Controller), however I did have to increase the Options | "Port/Leg Speed/Thresh" to something closer to 3.5 to get reasonable control. Otherwise, many more notes were ending up sliding into place than intended.

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Re: !!! The new Samplemodeling Viola is out !!!

Post by leleswam » Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:44 am

MSchnell wrote: "Bowing" (standard via the Mod Wheel) seems like a very important feature. Is this possible using a wind controller ?
No, it is not possible to use the "Bowing" gesture with a Wind Controller: you must use a controller that is suitable to reproduce the real bowing gesture, like a Modulation Wheel, a Ribbon, an X-Y pad.
BTW: it is not standard via the Mod Wheel; we used the Mod Wheel in the video demo for convenience. The input Expression can be set to any CC number, default is CC11.
MSchnell wrote: "Double Notes":

In the video they say that Double Notes are activated via a key switch. Is it not possible to simply play a two tone chord with the keyboard ? I suppose for trained keyboard player this would be a lot easier to do.
Ok, but you forget that overlapping two notes is already used for legatos and portamentos.
There is an additional mode we've called "Auto": you can perform Double Notes only on staccato notes, then the double-polyphony leasts until while you keep performing bichords legati; as soon as a single note is pressed, the instruments turns in monophonic mode.
MSchnell wrote: Is it possible to use the "Double Notes" feature with a wind controller ?
No, given that a wind controller sends only a note at a time.
MSchnell wrote: "Tempo Sync Auto Tremolo": How does this work ?
Tremolo is modeled in real-time, it is not pre-recorded, so we can synch it to the Tempo BPM of the DAW project.
Obviously, this can be avoided acting on a parameter in the Options page and setting a fixed tremolo rate in Hz.

For the ones who want to go into details, you can find the Viola User Manual here: http://www.swamengine.com/manuals

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Re: !!! The new Samplemodeling Viola is out !!!

Post by MSchnell » Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:14 pm

Interesting stuff indeed !

Thanks for the answers.

-Michael
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Re: !!! The new Samplemodeling Viola is out !!!

Post by Duncan » Fri Dec 04, 2015 7:28 pm

I've been playing with the viola for a couple of days now and am very impressed! This is the way I would like all string patches to be designed... Very expressive and playable with realtime continuous control, instead of dozens of special patches and key switches.( why should one have short note or sforzato samples when they can be performed?) That you were able to achieve this in so little disk space while preserving the character of the instrument is a small miracle.

I have the Tec breath controller which is working well for me, but can be exhausting to play Bach sonatas with! I don't have a mid wheel on my keyboard and have not been able to find anything in a stand alone usb unit. Are there any exotic controllers out there that might be good for the bowing? I'm using my continuous damper pedal for vibrato depth and rate which is working well. I'm thinking that a swell pedal would be too cumbersome for expression. And breath control is faster and more responsive than a mod wheel.

I love the controls for double stops, although I'm finding performing the broken 4 note chords difficult. It would be nice if the bow off strings could ring a little longer so one hears the full chord for a little. I think the bows in Bach's day could hit all the strings at once... It would be nice if there was a way to get more than 2 voices at once. Is there?

The key switches are well thought out, although I find myself accidentally hitting the first page set( because I hit the B after not before ) It would be nice to be able to remap some of the switches or perhaps lock some out.

I have a couple of extra switch type pedals. Would it be possible to map one of these to enable double stops when down then go back to mono when up?

Bravo on a great job putting this together. It must have been a lot of work.

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Re: !!! The new Samplemodeling Viola is out !!!

Post by MSchnell » Fri Dec 04, 2015 9:11 pm

Duncan wrote: Are there any exotic controllers out there that might be good for the bowing?
Maybe something like this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-6uRxy ... e=youtu.be

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Re: !!! The new Samplemodeling Viola is out !!!

Post by Duncan » Sat Dec 05, 2015 12:20 am

Omg... leap motion with geco looks like a terrific solution. Thanks so much for suggesting! Sort of like a theremin as a controller only with more degrees of freedom and more accuracy. One could simultaneously map so many control parameters to gestures with this. And the cost is even less than a stand alone mod wheel would be.

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Re: !!! The new Samplemodeling Viola is out !!!

Post by MSchnell » Sat Dec 05, 2015 5:53 am

Great !

Let us know what you find.

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Re: !!! The new Samplemodeling Viola is out !!!

Post by MSchnell » Sat Dec 05, 2015 12:17 pm

While not so much focussed on plaing a monophonic instrument with keyboard and additional controllers, these videos show mor detais on Leap Motion and Geco:

Demo/review:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eovdIjK-Jvc

Solo performance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8AxhbCL-rM

And another software for Leap Motion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU4ZWAPwvcM

-Michael
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