"Live" recording

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Jlunman
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"Live" recording

Post by Jlunman » Fri Aug 04, 2017 1:17 am

This tune was an experiment in composition, arrangement, and performance/programming, with a little bit of sound design thrown in for fun... because some tunes just sound better when played for a "live audience". (Coincidentally, YouTube is a handy source for a lot of royalty-free crowd sound effects. :-) )

All horns are Sample Modeling (SWAM Tenor & Alto Sax, Trumpet 3). Bass was AmpleSound's ABU2. Piano and drums were stock instruments that came with Cubase 8.

The drums were probably the most time-consuming to program, since I don't like to use pre-made loops or patterns. In a piece like this, I think the drums need to interact tightly with the leads.

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Re: "Live" recording

Post by MSchnell » Fri Aug 04, 2017 4:23 am

Great ! Really sounds like a live event.

As you especially mentioned it: the drum programming is just great and feels like a drummer on stage !!! (As is the rest.)

Only slightly disturbing to me: while the "live club" sound generally works nicely, the drum sound IMHO is too much "studio".

-Michael
Music examples -> http://www.boa-sorte.de

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Re: "Live" recording

Post by Jlunman » Fri Aug 04, 2017 7:34 am

Thanks Michael! I agree about the drums sounding a little too "studio" for a live recording. I tried playing with the reverb on those to see if I could improve it but ultimately settled for what you hear. That's the drawback to using the"stock instruments that came with Cubase" - much fewer options. I think my next purchase may very well be a decent drum vst. Anyone have any recommendations? I haven't really researched these much.

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Re: "Live" recording

Post by MSchnell » Fri Aug 04, 2017 3:21 pm

The free "Drummica" by Senheiser (for the free Kontakt player) is a very nice and perfect quality drum sample set.
Here you can play with different mics and microphone placements, which is what they are demoing with the library. This might be really useful for the said issue.
-> http://de-de.sennheiser.com/drummica

-Michael
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Re: "Live" recording

Post by Jlunman » Fri Aug 04, 2017 7:22 pm

Interesting. I'll have to check that out. Do you know if they have a brush option?

I've been eyeing Vienna Jazz Drums, although that seems to require a hardware dongle which would be annoying for me, since I often work on my tunes on-the-go.

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Re: "Live" recording

Post by MSchnell » Fri Aug 04, 2017 8:12 pm

Jlunman wrote:
Fri Aug 04, 2017 7:22 pm
Do you know if they have a brush option?
They don't :(

BTW.: I doubt I would ever buy a plughin that needs a hardware dongle...

-Michael
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Re: "Live" recording

Post by LHall » Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:03 pm

Outstanding work Jon!! Beautifully done.

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Re: "Live" recording

Post by MSchnell » Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:14 pm

Jlunman wrote:
Fri Aug 04, 2017 7:22 pm
I've been eyeing Vienna Jazz Drums,...
If you need Brushes (I would if I were to get me a Drum plugin), I'd take a look at "Addictive Drumes JazzBrushes" ! -> https://www.xlnaudio.com/products/adpak ... zz_brushes

In fact I suppose that decent manual programming brushes is extremely hard or close to impossible to do, so Addictive Drums' groove engine might be very helpful.

-Michael
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Re: "Live" recording

Post by Jlunman » Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:26 pm

LHall wrote:
Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:03 pm
Outstanding work Jon!! Beautifully done.
Thanks!

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Re: "Live" recording

Post by Jlunman » Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:40 pm

MSchnell wrote:
Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:14 pm
In fact I suppose that decent manual programming brushes is extremely hard or close to impossible to do, so Addictive Drums' groove engine might be very helpful.

-Michael
Yeah, I think Vienna Jazz Drums has something similar for generating brush sweeps. And it comes with a bunch of demo midi tracks. But Addictive Drums looks great too, and doesn't require a stupid usb dongle, which I'm sad to say may be a deal-breaker for Vienna, despite how great their product seems. I'll be taking a close look at Addictive Drums and listening to their demos. A cursory glance looks impressive so far.

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